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this is Leslie Kane and you're listening

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to that UFO podcast

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hi everyone and welcome back to that qa4

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podcast my name is Andy and many of you

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get in touch with me on a regular basis

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asking how they can report their UFO

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sightings so rather than me keep getting

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back to you telling you the same things

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I thought it was about time to get

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another one of those experts on to

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discuss one of the best resources for

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reporting your UFO sightings wherever

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you are around the world so joining me

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on the podcast I have the state director

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of the mutual UFO Network and move on in

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Southern California he is an

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investigator of more than 900 reports of

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UFOs a member of miffon's experience art

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resource team a musician and most

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importantly a father and grandfather uh

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joining me on the podcast is Earl Gray

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Anderson Earl welcome to the podcast hi

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there how are you doing Andy it's very

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good to have you on and we've been

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talking for a good few minutes now

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before I hit record about UFOs The

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Beatles and and a few things in between

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um which was a lot of fun but I told my

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wife earlier and I did mention to you

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that when I said your name she laughed

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because my wife's English and me with a

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Scottish accent it's really hard to

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pronounce the name Earl so if anyone

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it's e-a-r-l so anyone who wonders what

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is Andy saying this guy's name is

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um it's Earl that's it and you might

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hear me change it as the interview goes

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on just depending on what I'm saying so

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Earl very warm welcome at the podcast

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good to have you on uh we're going to

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get to talking about a few different

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things including your time with mufon

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your work with muffon but um I want to

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start off just asking you how did you

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first get involved in the UFO topic does

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it go back to Childhood or was it it

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goes back to my earliest memories

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um my mom uh her name was was Betty

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Grace Anderson and she worked for

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however you the the

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Aerospace giant who uh he initially made

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his uh Fortune by creating the better

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drill bit for the oil fields and but he

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was one of the first contractors

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to work with a pentagon and and uh

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and my mom was working for him as one of

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his two private secretaries and uh at

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this point Hughes was a germaphobe he

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was shut in he did not like to leave his

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office uh and so he would send my mom

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out my mom had a very high security

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clearance because he would send her out

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to do his

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you know his business stuff

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and my mom told me when I was about five

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she was taken out to the middle of the

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desert and there was this bunker in the

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middle of nowhere had a little security

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detail with her she did not tell me

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which desert it was but that they opened

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this thing it was all locked up and

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down there was no building over it for

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it to go up to uh so she got into the

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elevator she still didn't know where

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they were going you know she figured it

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was maybe a couple of floors down at

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most and she said that she got in the

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elevator and it kept going down and that

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uh she said that the doors finally

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under the desert they got around in golf

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carts she said uh there were some of the

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that we acquired through uh Operation

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and uh she talked about working in this

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little city under the desert uh that

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uh since then I've met another guy who

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was an RAF pilot and his mother happened

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to be the other secretary that that

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and uh she told him the exact same story

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that uh except she she gave a little

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more detailed description she said that

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this lab had a little catwalk over it it

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was sort of like a like a James Bond

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movie but for it was real

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so that was the first weird story my mom

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told me but then she kind of followed

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that up with talking about people like

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Werner Von Braun that she knew she said

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he a Nazi mom how could be Charlie she

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said well he wasn't really he was forced

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to do that but he he really really

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to for humans to go into space and he he

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was obsessed with going to the moon and

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of course he was the guy that helped us

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design the three-stage rocket that got

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um and the other thing my mom talked a

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little bit when I was very very young

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was life in the universe she she spoke

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to but she spoke about it with her as

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though she knew but we're not alone we

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already know we're not alone there's

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there's uh you know there's later on

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like 1977 and my mom shut up about it

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for years but I took her to see a new

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movie that came out called Star Wars

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and for some reason I guess the Stars

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aligned for me that day because she just

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did a little disclosure number with me

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she said Son you have no idea how close

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the truth that movie is the different

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races of aliens the different spaceships

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all of that she said it's really like

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that and it's really that it's not

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far-fetched and she said uh you know all

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that is real she said it's it's realer

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than you'll ever know

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years I tried to get her to talk a

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little bit more I mean I see you have

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Bob lazar's book sitting there now I

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asked my mom like 1999. uh do you know

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about Bob Lazar do you ever hear of this

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guy because my mom went on to work as a

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a corporate Headhunter for the aerospace

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companies that's what she did uh she was

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years before she passed away she passed

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and uh you know Bob Lazar and she kind

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of looked uncomfortable and she said Bob

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laser that's not a real name what do you

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mean you know she would try to change

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school and and a teacher actually

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mom and I got a little lecture driving

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you know son I'm not mad at you how did

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you remember this stuff you were a baby

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when I told you this you were five years

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thought you're going to remember it and

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for God's sake you can't talk about this

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to people and and especially not at

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school she said people don't know about

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this stuff and she said your mom could

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get into big trouble your mom could go

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um but when my mom passed I decided uh I

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started reading UFO books I started kind

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researching the whole subject for myself

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and I felt like I hit a you know a brick

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wall there were so many different

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attitudes and ideas out there and and

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they couldn't all be true

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and that's when I decided to join mufon

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and become a field investigator and and

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actually investigate UFOs myself

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what year was that Arrow did you start

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uh at the end of 2015 that's when I

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became a field investigator uh you take

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um they Mentor you uh my friend Jeff

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time uh and he was my first Mentor in in

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and uh and I learned a lot from Jeff but

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you know there's nothing like feet on

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uh getting your own cases uh and I I

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sort of went to it like a fish to water

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and uh you mentioned by 900 cases I mean

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I was just I happened to look in in this

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the move on uh computer management

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system the other day it's like I wonder

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how many cases I've done at this point I

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looked it up it was it was 900 and

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something at this point so

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um that's a lot of UFO cases out of that

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scientist with Project Blue Book he he

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kind of came up with a rule of thumb

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where he said 90 to 95 percent of UFO

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reports that come in wind up being

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prosaic objects something you know a

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natural phenomena or a man-made

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phenomena that people uh misidentified

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so my numbers are kind of that that's

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the same as heinek's you know it's

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probably five to eight percent uh that

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eye-popping and mind-blowing and uh and

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I at this point I've even had people

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from the Department of Defense tell me

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that I had one guy tell me you can be

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very proud of your mom and and the work

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that she did she didn't lie to you I've

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read her file and I said well tell me a

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little bit more what was she doing you

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know what was she doing under the desert

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and all that and he said I can't tell

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you because her file is sealed but you

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can be very proud of her

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um and that that's that's how it started

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for me and I love it you know I I feel

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like uh I don't know that anybody truly

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understands this phenomena because it is

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weird and I think it's been with us

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forever and ever I don't think it's a

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new thing

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well let me say there's a lot to dive

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into there and your your mom certainly

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sounds like loved an incredible life and

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again we talked about the mistake of The

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Beatles before we recorded and it sounds

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like and we talked about how you know if

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the Beatles hadn't broken up what could

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have been but it's almost the meth

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around them is is even bigger because we

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don't know and same with your mum you

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know almost I'm sure there's a

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frustration you don't know what your

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mother actually did yeah what she

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witnessed but there's that imagination

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it's almost childlike isn't it that yeah

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it's it's bigger than the real than the

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real thing I kind of I'm one of my i i a

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good guess obvious though my mom was a

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computer expert and this was before the

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internet and all that

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um and and she she had this office where

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she trained people uh all the various

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computer systems

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and uh this was when she was working uh

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as as a as a corporate headhunter

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and uh she learned how to do that

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somewhere uh and and I I imagine that it

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was back when she was working with

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Hughes

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um I I've had another case where uh this

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one family their their father told the

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same story that my mom told me but they

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they knew where it was they had they had

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actually seen where their father worked

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and it was in White Sands New Mexico

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and it was an underground computer base

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and this was back around 1961.

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my mom was working under the desert for

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Hughes back from 1955 until I was born

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she said that she was still working

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there when she was pregnant with me

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and uh in May May 29th of 1958 that she

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officially quit because that was the day

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I was born

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um but uh yeah that that's something

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strange too you know when I was uh

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when I was maybe 21 years old I was

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trying to get my mom to talk more I just

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kind of get frustrated well Mom tell me

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a little bit more what were you doing

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Under the Desert you never said any you

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know told me any details and she'd get

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frustrated she'd sort of raise an

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eyebrow and walk out of the room because

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you know she couldn't she couldn't say

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um but this one time she turned around

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and she came back and she said I'm not I

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can't tell you much but I'll tell you

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one thing you were down there

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and I said what do you mean I was down

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there she said I was pregnant with you

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so technically you were down in the

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little city under the desert as well uh

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I don't remember it but there you go

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um I don't know maybe they did something

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to me down there and make me such a you

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know

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a weirdo

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she was right oh well listen we're all

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weirdos in this together I want to know

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you mentioned Daryl you you joined mifon

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in 2015. now that's that's been as we

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record this for 2023 and my maths were

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eight years you've been there seven and

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a half eight years probably and that's

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been a really interesting time because

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2017 we had the New York Times article

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drop and the UFO subject took a bit of a

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change and a fortune Road for many so

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you were there through 2015 16 into 17.

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did you see much of a change from those

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first couple of years in the UFO subject

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to what happened then in 2017 well

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people ask me all the time when do you

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think disclosure is going to happen and

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I tell them it already did it was on the

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front page of the New York Times you

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know and that was the whole Tic Tac UFO

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thing that happened with the USS Nimitz

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and in the Princeton Kevin day you know

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was the the head of radar deck guy

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and this was on the front page of the

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New York Times talking about the Tic Tac

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off of Catalina Island apparently it

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started out with a fleet of UFOs that

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they were catching on on the radar

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and they saw them for about a week

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coming down at a low earth orbit down to

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sea level and then shooting back up

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and at first they thought that the the

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radar it was it was a new radar system

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that was very detailed and they thought

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that maybe they were having problems

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with it they had everything checked out

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the radar unit was working perfectly

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there was nothing wrong with it so after

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about a week they sent us modern planes

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out to see what was going on and that's

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where you've got that video that was

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surreptitiously released to the public

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first I mean the the Department of

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Defense they were their hand was forced

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is what happened they couldn't deny it

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anybody that had a background in science

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knew what that video showed

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um and this thing was traveling 18 times

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speed of of sound

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uh it was a Mach 18. it didn't create a

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single Sonic Boom which should be

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impossible had some way of negating the

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mass of that ship

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and so it you know if you can negate the

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missing something you can tactically

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travel faster in the speed of light

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that's the only thing that makes

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Einstein's speed limit work

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um so it was something very strange it

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was making 90 degree turns uh at Mach

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18. I mean if if somebody was crafted

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and I imagined that it had a pilot why

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do you make a drone that's 40 feet

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across and 20 feet wide I mean there's

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no reason you know there's no reason to

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make a drone that big that's like a Hab

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module

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um did that but if you make a 90 degree

390
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turn you're going to be like jelly on

391
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the wall you know but yeah they're using

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something that we don't have

393
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that change how how you were viewing the

394
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UFO subject from that point on

395
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um it didn't so much change the way that

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I viewed the UFO subject as much as it

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did the public

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um what I noticed was before before that

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article was on the front page of the

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times people you know science

401
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backgrounds and stuff would roll their

402
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eyes at me uh you know my my

403
00:16:44,090 --> 00:16:41,579
ex-father-in-law worked on the Apollo

404
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program and I'd talk about UFOs and

405
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you'd laugh you know you thought it was

406
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you know so much BS and uh everything

407
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seemed to shift uh I you know I probably

408
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have more friends who are scientists uh

409
00:17:04,490 --> 00:17:01,740
doctors you know people with a science

410
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background that are colleagues now than

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than anything

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um people take it very very seriously

413
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Congress has certainly taken it

414
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seriously I mean Congress has been

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meeting with mufon

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openly uh I think they've always

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probably had a back door into mufon

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because you know it's it's a Department

419
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of Defense they can do pretty much what

420
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they want if they want to read something

421
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or see something you know they can get

422
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into your files people

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um but now here they are out and openly

424
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saying yes we want to work with mufon

425
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uh and and that boy oh boy that's that's

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00:17:46,010 --> 00:17:43,320
a sea change that is saying openly to

427
00:17:49,010 --> 00:17:46,020
everybody yes we are taking this very

428
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very seriously this is a real thing

429
00:17:54,049 --> 00:17:51,020
um so it's shifted

430
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and listen let's talk about miffon then

431
00:17:59,750 --> 00:17:57,120
because as an organization I I know

432
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about it and there are many listeners

433
00:18:04,610 --> 00:18:01,679
who will know about it it's the mutual

434
00:18:07,010 --> 00:18:04,620
UFO Network however I think sometimes it

435
00:18:08,450 --> 00:18:07,020
can go under the radar pardoned upon you

436
00:18:10,970 --> 00:18:08,460
know talking about radar death and all

437
00:18:12,409 --> 00:18:10,980
that that are so many listeners out

438
00:18:14,270 --> 00:18:12,419
there who don't know about miffon

439
00:18:16,130 --> 00:18:14,280
because people get in touch with me

440
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purely because they listen to this

441
00:18:20,210 --> 00:18:18,120
podcast for their UFO news or other

442
00:18:22,010 --> 00:18:20,220
podcasts and they don't know how to

443
00:18:24,350 --> 00:18:22,020
submit reports they don't know where to

444
00:18:25,610 --> 00:18:24,360
talk about their sightings so there are

445
00:18:29,750 --> 00:18:25,620
people out there who don't know what it

446
00:18:31,970 --> 00:18:29,760
is so what is the mutual UFO Network

447
00:18:35,210 --> 00:18:31,980
um we are a private organization we're

448
00:18:38,510 --> 00:18:35,220
civilians uh we uh

449
00:18:41,390 --> 00:18:38,520
we're a non-profit we all do this for

450
00:18:44,510 --> 00:18:41,400
the love of the phenomena and to

451
00:18:47,330 --> 00:18:44,520
understand the phenomenon

452
00:18:49,549 --> 00:18:47,340
um we we open doors when Project Blue

453
00:18:51,730 --> 00:18:49,559
Book closed theirs Project Blue Book was

454
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the government's first official

455
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officially

456
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announced uh investigation of the UFO

457
00:19:03,370 --> 00:19:00,780
phenomenon and they closed doors in 1969

458
00:19:08,650 --> 00:19:03,380
and that's when mufon opened theirs in

459
00:19:14,810 --> 00:19:11,450
m-u-f-o-n.com it's a mutual UFO network

460
00:19:16,909 --> 00:19:14,820
is what the acronym stands for the first

461
00:19:19,850 --> 00:19:16,919
thing you'll see is uh you'll have a

462
00:19:22,370 --> 00:19:19,860
little uh a little button that says a

463
00:19:24,950 --> 00:19:22,380
reporter UFO and there's another one

464
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report and entity so if if somebody is

465
00:19:29,330 --> 00:19:27,720
has been abducted or had a visitation or

466
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if they've had a close encounter with a

467
00:19:37,070 --> 00:19:33,660
craft or seen a craft from afar you can

468
00:19:39,289 --> 00:19:37,080
put in a report about it and if you like

469
00:19:41,090 --> 00:19:39,299
me will call you up and talk with you on

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the phone

471
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um for some cases I'll go out to the

472
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site you know if there was a landing

473
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observed or or a crash or something that

474
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was on uh you know street level kind of

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stuff

476
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um I I I've got uh people that can go

477
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out and and take samples and and we know

478
00:20:04,430 --> 00:20:02,400
how to do that you know

479
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uh and that's that's worldwide as well

480
00:20:08,810 --> 00:20:05,780
isn't it

481
00:20:12,110 --> 00:20:08,820
worldwide uh organization and we we do

482
00:20:15,470 --> 00:20:12,120
have a new uh director of a European

483
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director and he lives in the UK so and

484
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and we get uh citing reports from the UK

485
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all the time but not not as many as we

486
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should uh I know uh you know I write a a

487
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regular column for outer limits magazine

488
00:20:33,770 --> 00:20:32,039
it's a British UFO periodical

489
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um and I hear from people all the time

490
00:20:40,029 --> 00:20:37,020
about UFO sightings and stuff in in the

491
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UK and and elsewhere uh over the pond

492
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and oftentimes they like you were saying

493
00:20:46,669 --> 00:20:44,700
they don't know where to report them or

494
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where somebody will take them seriously

495
00:20:51,710 --> 00:20:49,440
and you know people tell me oh I try I

496
00:20:54,710 --> 00:20:51,720
called the Air Force I called the NSA

497
00:20:56,270 --> 00:20:54,720
you know I called yeah yeah and well

498
00:20:57,710 --> 00:20:56,280
they're they're either going to sweep it

499
00:21:01,850 --> 00:20:57,720
under the floor

500
00:21:03,350 --> 00:21:01,860
or uh if if anybody else saw that UFO

501
00:21:06,529 --> 00:21:03,360
they're certainly not going to tell you

502
00:21:09,049 --> 00:21:06,539
but if you get a hold of mufon uh if

503
00:21:12,289 --> 00:21:09,059
what you saw was something like SpaceX

504
00:21:16,010 --> 00:21:12,299
or or a drone or something like that we

505
00:21:19,010 --> 00:21:16,020
can you know we're we're very good at

506
00:21:22,669 --> 00:21:19,020
figuring out what's in videos and what

507
00:21:24,409 --> 00:21:22,679
photographs you know people have

508
00:21:27,950 --> 00:21:24,419
um chances are I can tell you what it

509
00:21:30,230 --> 00:21:27,960
was that you saw if it was a UFO

510
00:21:33,350 --> 00:21:30,240
um I will tell you that if other people

511
00:21:34,669 --> 00:21:33,360
saw it I'll let you know that let me ask

512
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girl because that's a really good point

513
00:21:39,110 --> 00:21:36,720
so I think it goes without saying that

514
00:21:41,090 --> 00:21:39,120
I'm I'm a believer I'm a fan of the UFO

515
00:21:43,669 --> 00:21:41,100
subject for I mean God I've got a

516
00:21:46,010 --> 00:21:43,679
podcast on it not long before I started

517
00:21:48,590 --> 00:21:46,020
the podcast I had my my second

518
00:21:50,810 --> 00:21:48,600
substantial sighting in my life when I

519
00:21:53,330 --> 00:21:50,820
saw a black triangle not too far from

520
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where I lived about 100 feet in the air

521
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um it wasn't high up

522
00:21:58,190 --> 00:21:56,760
um another witness saw it but I was

523
00:21:59,990 --> 00:21:58,200
driving at the time I've told the story

524
00:22:02,270 --> 00:22:00,000
a few times on the podcast but for your

525
00:22:04,190 --> 00:22:02,280
benefit I'll share it so apologies folks

526
00:22:05,750 --> 00:22:04,200
if some of you have had this already I

527
00:22:08,570 --> 00:22:05,760
was driving home from work it was about

528
00:22:10,250 --> 00:22:08,580
6 p.m roughly and you can take the The

529
00:22:12,649 --> 00:22:10,260
Busy Highway as you would call it the

530
00:22:14,690 --> 00:22:12,659
motorway home and you sit in traffic or

531
00:22:17,930 --> 00:22:14,700
you can take a kind of back back Country

532
00:22:19,789 --> 00:22:17,940
Road and it's quieter but still pretty

533
00:22:22,490 --> 00:22:19,799
busy so I'm not saying this was a you

534
00:22:25,130 --> 00:22:22,500
know secluded area by any means and

535
00:22:27,169 --> 00:22:25,140
coming along a road very very close to

536
00:22:29,149 --> 00:22:27,179
an airport very close to Newcastle

537
00:22:30,470 --> 00:22:29,159
airport so I'm very aware of aircraft

538
00:22:32,090 --> 00:22:30,480
coming in

539
00:22:34,310 --> 00:22:32,100
um going along the road there was a

540
00:22:35,630 --> 00:22:34,320
plane coming along can I as if I'm

541
00:22:37,250 --> 00:22:35,640
driving along the road there was an

542
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aircraft coming in

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but as I got closer the aircraft didn't

544
00:22:43,970 --> 00:22:41,880
seem to have moved and I'm very aware

545
00:22:45,950 --> 00:22:43,980
having seen it myself aircraft

546
00:22:47,990 --> 00:22:45,960
especially at night in the dark can look

547
00:22:49,970 --> 00:22:48,000
like they're not moving depending on

548
00:22:51,590 --> 00:22:49,980
wind speed and position of the lights

549
00:22:54,049 --> 00:22:51,600
and the driving speed and all that kind

550
00:22:55,970 --> 00:22:54,059
of stuff so I saw it ah these two lights

551
00:22:58,310 --> 00:22:55,980
still hadn't moved got a bit closer

552
00:22:59,870 --> 00:22:58,320
again those two lights definitely look

553
00:23:01,310 --> 00:22:59,880
like they're very very low down just

554
00:23:02,690 --> 00:23:01,320
above like in a tree line that was next

555
00:23:05,390 --> 00:23:02,700
to me

556
00:23:07,669 --> 00:23:05,400
I then notice as my as my right turn is

557
00:23:09,230 --> 00:23:07,679
coming up a white van had pulled over at

558
00:23:11,330 --> 00:23:09,240
the side of the road and it wasn't a

559
00:23:14,330 --> 00:23:11,340
very safe place to pull over and as I

560
00:23:17,450 --> 00:23:14,340
get past the van the guy is hanging out

561
00:23:19,310 --> 00:23:17,460
his van looking up and I look up at the

562
00:23:20,090 --> 00:23:19,320
same time again as I pass under the two

563
00:23:23,810 --> 00:23:20,100
lights

564
00:23:25,669 --> 00:23:23,820
coming in towards the airport has the

565
00:23:27,890 --> 00:23:25,679
flashing Landing lights in the gears or

566
00:23:29,210 --> 00:23:27,900
you see the windows or the tail there's

567
00:23:32,210 --> 00:23:29,220
other there's more than just those two

568
00:23:34,850 --> 00:23:32,220
lights as I pass under it against the

569
00:23:37,010 --> 00:23:34,860
black night sky I can make out it's a

570
00:23:38,450 --> 00:23:37,020
black triangular shape now the two

571
00:23:41,210 --> 00:23:38,460
lights were only on the back of the

572
00:23:43,610 --> 00:23:41,220
triangle there was nothing on the front

573
00:23:45,230 --> 00:23:43,620
so but normally you would expect to see

574
00:23:48,049 --> 00:23:45,240
something or make out the outline I

575
00:23:49,430 --> 00:23:48,059
wouldn't have seen it had the two lights

576
00:23:51,230 --> 00:23:49,440
not been there I could have sat

577
00:23:52,250 --> 00:23:51,240
perfectly still against a night sky and

578
00:23:55,130 --> 00:23:52,260
I wouldn't have seen it but it was

579
00:23:57,770 --> 00:23:55,140
definitely about 150 feet at most in the

580
00:24:00,770 --> 00:23:57,780
air so by the time I managed to turn the

581
00:24:03,110 --> 00:24:00,780
car around on a very busy fast Road

582
00:24:05,090 --> 00:24:03,120
I see in my rear view mirror that it

583
00:24:06,710 --> 00:24:05,100
started moving off diagonally over the

584
00:24:08,630 --> 00:24:06,720
Treetops

585
00:24:10,669 --> 00:24:08,640
another light had come on the front of

586
00:24:12,529 --> 00:24:10,679
it and I spoke to David marlar who

587
00:24:14,990 --> 00:24:12,539
obviously is one of the world's if not

588
00:24:17,270 --> 00:24:15,000
the world's foremost expert Dave knows

589
00:24:18,770 --> 00:24:17,280
his triangles yeah he certainly does and

590
00:24:21,169 --> 00:24:18,780
I told him this and he said he'd never

591
00:24:23,029 --> 00:24:21,179
heard of this before another light came

592
00:24:25,970 --> 00:24:23,039
on at the front of the craft that seemed

593
00:24:27,409 --> 00:24:25,980
to flash very sporadically this hadn't

594
00:24:31,190 --> 00:24:27,419
been on before

595
00:24:33,289 --> 00:24:31,200
so as I tried to go back I got round the

596
00:24:36,289 --> 00:24:33,299
basically where the tree line was I'd

597
00:24:38,210 --> 00:24:36,299
traced my path along it then opens up to

598
00:24:41,090 --> 00:24:38,220
an expansive field which then leads over

599
00:24:42,350 --> 00:24:41,100
to the airport so if it's an aircraft it

600
00:24:43,549 --> 00:24:42,360
would have still been there there was

601
00:24:46,190 --> 00:24:43,559
nothing there

602
00:24:49,310 --> 00:24:46,200
so it was gone that was it so that was

603
00:24:50,390 --> 00:24:49,320
that was like exciting for me however my

604
00:24:53,270 --> 00:24:50,400
point being

605
00:24:55,970 --> 00:24:53,280
I then went home told my wife very

606
00:24:57,590 --> 00:24:55,980
excitedly she told me and at the time

607
00:24:59,029 --> 00:24:57,600
sort of gave me the idea down the line

608
00:25:01,669 --> 00:24:59,039
to start a podcast just with an

609
00:25:03,409 --> 00:25:01,679
off-the-cuff comment and here we are I

610
00:25:06,409 --> 00:25:03,419
didn't report that to anyone and here's

611
00:25:08,090 --> 00:25:06,419
me who was a a fan of the UFO subject I

612
00:25:09,710 --> 00:25:08,100
believe or someone who had an avid

613
00:25:11,930 --> 00:25:09,720
interest in UFOs

614
00:25:13,970 --> 00:25:11,940
I didn't phone the police I didn't

615
00:25:16,130 --> 00:25:13,980
report it you know to the the aviation

616
00:25:17,870 --> 00:25:16,140
authorities I didn't want to move on

617
00:25:21,230 --> 00:25:17,880
that didn't cross my mind

618
00:25:22,010 --> 00:25:21,240
if I had gone to miffon.com and failed a

619
00:25:24,950 --> 00:25:22,020
report

620
00:25:26,870 --> 00:25:24,960
what could I have expected to happen

621
00:25:29,090 --> 00:25:26,880
well somebody would have called you from

622
00:25:31,430 --> 00:25:29,100
mufon we would have asked you you know

623
00:25:33,409 --> 00:25:31,440
the date the time although you know if

624
00:25:35,990 --> 00:25:33,419
there's a place for you to type that in

625
00:25:39,890 --> 00:25:36,000
on on on the sheet that you you fill in

626
00:25:42,289 --> 00:25:39,900
if you are putting in a citing report

627
00:25:46,149 --> 00:25:42,299
um I would how did it make you feel

628
00:25:49,130 --> 00:25:46,159
seeing this and did you feel

629
00:25:50,570 --> 00:25:49,140
how did it make you feel do you know

630
00:25:53,630 --> 00:25:50,580
what it's really strange that looking

631
00:25:55,250 --> 00:25:53,640
back I wish I'd pulled over and just

632
00:25:57,289 --> 00:25:55,260
stopped the car in front of the van even

633
00:25:58,789 --> 00:25:57,299
though it was a pretty fast road to 60

634
00:26:02,029 --> 00:25:58,799
miles an hour

635
00:26:03,529 --> 00:26:02,039
and I could have filmed I was because I

636
00:26:06,350 --> 00:26:03,539
was driving I couldn't get my phone

637
00:26:08,510 --> 00:26:06,360
one-handed to start filming even if I

638
00:26:10,250 --> 00:26:08,520
had and we're going to get to this I

639
00:26:11,930 --> 00:26:10,260
don't think you'd have seen much with

640
00:26:14,390 --> 00:26:11,940
the camera phone against a very

641
00:26:16,370 --> 00:26:14,400
fast-moving Sky you would have barely

642
00:26:20,210 --> 00:26:16,380
made out the lights even I think that's

643
00:26:22,010 --> 00:26:20,220
why the painted black yeah exactly like

644
00:26:24,230 --> 00:26:22,020
it was an alien craft or do you feel

645
00:26:26,149 --> 00:26:24,240
like it might have been one of ours that

646
00:26:29,210 --> 00:26:26,159
that's my

647
00:26:31,250 --> 00:26:29,220
so I've said before I'm I'm pretty sure

648
00:26:34,669 --> 00:26:31,260
trying to be consistent that I've said I

649
00:26:39,350 --> 00:26:34,679
just got the feeling it

650
00:26:44,210 --> 00:26:42,049
not not an aircraft for example

651
00:26:46,970 --> 00:26:44,220
um I don't know why but the first thing

652
00:26:49,310 --> 00:26:46,980
that came to mind I phoned my wife while

653
00:26:51,289 --> 00:26:49,320
I was watching it and I basically talked

654
00:26:53,570 --> 00:26:51,299
and commented through what I was seeing

655
00:26:56,750 --> 00:26:53,580
it was the first thing that came to mind

656
00:27:00,049 --> 00:26:56,760
um and I I totally understand and

657
00:27:01,610 --> 00:27:00,059
appreciate now all those people who they

658
00:27:04,130 --> 00:27:01,620
say they saw something but they forget

659
00:27:05,930 --> 00:27:04,140
to get their phone out or they don't

660
00:27:08,090 --> 00:27:05,940
film it because what you think you would

661
00:27:10,549 --> 00:27:08,100
do you don't necessarily do in that

662
00:27:11,450 --> 00:27:10,559
situation no if you're really close to

663
00:27:14,450 --> 00:27:11,460
one

664
00:27:16,669 --> 00:27:14,460
and and uh now with the black triangles

665
00:27:19,490 --> 00:27:16,679
I I kind of think that they are probably

666
00:27:22,549 --> 00:27:19,500
ours but I think that it's that we did

667
00:27:25,430 --> 00:27:22,559
reverse engineering of alien craft to

668
00:27:28,070 --> 00:27:25,440
figure out how to do this

669
00:27:29,510 --> 00:27:28,080
um because you can't really I mean a

670
00:27:33,890 --> 00:27:29,520
couple of people that were trying to

671
00:27:37,130 --> 00:27:33,900
mess with anti-gravity uh you know using

672
00:27:41,630 --> 00:27:37,140
highly electrified magnetic fields and

673
00:27:44,090 --> 00:27:41,640
things like that but uh anyway I I I

674
00:27:46,730 --> 00:27:44,100
there's there's really no line of

675
00:27:49,070 --> 00:27:46,740
inventions leading up to the black

676
00:27:51,649 --> 00:27:49,080
triangles you know but I was talking

677
00:27:54,950 --> 00:27:51,659
with one guy who is uh well I've had a

678
00:27:58,010 --> 00:27:54,960
lot of aerospace engineers uh report

679
00:28:00,169 --> 00:27:58,020
these I've had police officers report

680
00:28:02,450 --> 00:28:00,179
the madwyn police officer that was about

681
00:28:05,149 --> 00:28:02,460
35 feet away from one

682
00:28:08,149 --> 00:28:05,159
uh he he was taking his dogs out at

683
00:28:10,490 --> 00:28:08,159
midnight he was off duty uh he lived at

684
00:28:12,470 --> 00:28:10,500
the foot of Bakersfield Airport and this

685
00:28:14,450 --> 00:28:12,480
thing was hanging at the end of the

686
00:28:15,769 --> 00:28:14,460
flight path of the airport

687
00:28:17,810 --> 00:28:15,779
and he said that he could see

688
00:28:20,570 --> 00:28:17,820
indentations in the side and it looked

689
00:28:23,630 --> 00:28:20,580
like uh like Hydraulics like you would

690
00:28:25,370 --> 00:28:23,640
see in an aircraft carrier is how he

691
00:28:27,529 --> 00:28:25,380
mentioned it I guess he had had a

692
00:28:29,570 --> 00:28:27,539
background in the Navy and he said it

693
00:28:31,730 --> 00:28:29,580
really it reminded me of the Hydraulics

694
00:28:34,370 --> 00:28:31,740
that you'd see in the aircraft carrier

695
00:28:37,430 --> 00:28:34,380
and you know usually when there's alien

696
00:28:39,710 --> 00:28:37,440
UFOs they they seem to be one-off you

697
00:28:42,110 --> 00:28:39,720
know I mean you have flying disc shape

698
00:28:43,990 --> 00:28:42,120
that's pretty popular but you know I

699
00:28:47,330 --> 00:28:44,000
mean we have

700
00:28:49,970 --> 00:28:47,340
blocky looking UFOs that look like a oh

701
00:28:52,730 --> 00:28:49,980
there was one in in Crawford Texas that

702
00:28:54,649 --> 00:28:52,740
they scrambled Jets out on that was they

703
00:28:56,570 --> 00:28:54,659
called it the flying Walmart because it

704
00:28:58,310 --> 00:28:56,580
looked like this big flying box with

705
00:28:59,570 --> 00:28:58,320
Windows on the side

706
00:29:01,370 --> 00:28:59,580
so

707
00:29:04,070 --> 00:29:01,380
um I think that there's it's very

708
00:29:08,590 --> 00:29:04,080
distinct uh difference between craft

709
00:29:11,930 --> 00:29:08,600
that are ours and theirs theirs

710
00:29:14,210 --> 00:29:11,940
and uh but I think that they have the

711
00:29:17,810 --> 00:29:14,220
same Source I think that you know the

712
00:29:19,430 --> 00:29:17,820
Roswell crash happened back in 1947 I'd

713
00:29:21,230 --> 00:29:19,440
be kind of disappointed if we hadn't

714
00:29:24,830 --> 00:29:21,240
figured out how some of that technology

715
00:29:27,350 --> 00:29:24,840
worked in the last 74 years you know

716
00:29:29,470 --> 00:29:27,360
that they've had you know the one thing

717
00:29:32,690 --> 00:29:29,480
you mentioned about the black triangles

718
00:29:34,370 --> 00:29:32,700
popular opinion I think tends to be I

719
00:29:37,490 --> 00:29:34,380
say that this is just my opinion what

720
00:29:39,350 --> 00:29:37,500
popular opinion may be is that it's our

721
00:29:41,810 --> 00:29:39,360
technology device engineered or some

722
00:29:43,909 --> 00:29:41,820
kind of shared technology what's always

723
00:29:46,370 --> 00:29:43,919
put doubt in my mind with that and just

724
00:29:48,950 --> 00:29:46,380
made me question it more is speaking of

725
00:29:51,430 --> 00:29:48,960
David marlar he was on unidentified the

726
00:29:53,570 --> 00:29:51,440
series with Tom Delong Chris Miller

727
00:29:55,850 --> 00:29:53,580
and he had Chris Miller that has

728
00:29:57,470 --> 00:29:55,860
property and Chris melon shared his

729
00:30:00,110 --> 00:29:57,480
thoughts on what he thought black

730
00:30:02,210 --> 00:30:00,120
triangles were essentially doing and he

731
00:30:03,289 --> 00:30:02,220
felt they were surveying or mapping the

732
00:30:07,070 --> 00:30:03,299
planet

733
00:30:08,810 --> 00:30:07,080
um if that was our technology David

734
00:30:11,090 --> 00:30:08,820
David thinks that they're uh

735
00:30:13,789 --> 00:30:11,100
extraterrestrial uh we we kind of differ

736
00:30:15,769 --> 00:30:13,799
on that but I mean I'm open to either or

737
00:30:18,169 --> 00:30:15,779
I I don't know

738
00:30:20,510 --> 00:30:18,179
um I had one aerospace engineer that

739
00:30:22,850 --> 00:30:20,520
works for uh should I say the name of

740
00:30:26,090 --> 00:30:22,860
the company maybe not ah why not

741
00:30:28,789 --> 00:30:26,100
Lockheed Skunk Works I won't tell you

742
00:30:31,370 --> 00:30:28,799
which which uh facility he works at they

743
00:30:34,070 --> 00:30:31,380
have a few but he's got like 90 people

744
00:30:37,549 --> 00:30:34,080
that work under him and he told me off

745
00:30:40,789 --> 00:30:37,559
the cuff he said uh you're 95 correct

746
00:30:42,529 --> 00:30:40,799
about the black triangles uh coming from

747
00:30:46,490 --> 00:30:42,539
us Earl

748
00:30:48,409 --> 00:30:46,500
and well I've been over to plant four uh

749
00:30:52,490 --> 00:30:48,419
plant uh

750
00:30:54,350 --> 00:30:52,500
42 over in Palmdale uh is is the Skunk

751
00:30:56,990 --> 00:30:54,360
Works plant over there and they have a

752
00:31:00,049 --> 00:30:57,000
satellite that's owned by Boeing that's

753
00:31:02,630 --> 00:31:00,059
part of the same facility so the guy

754
00:31:05,149 --> 00:31:02,640
that the the supervisor of the engineers

755
00:31:07,490 --> 00:31:05,159
uh at Lockheed I I said all right so

756
00:31:10,130 --> 00:31:07,500
it's 95 percent yours so I'm guessing

757
00:31:13,130 --> 00:31:10,140
that that means it's five percent boins

758
00:31:14,870 --> 00:31:13,140
then that Boyne worked with you guys and

759
00:31:17,990 --> 00:31:14,880
he looked shocked and his mouth kind of

760
00:31:20,870 --> 00:31:18,000
dropped we were on a zoom call right he

761
00:31:23,169 --> 00:31:20,880
looked horrified uh and he said I didn't

762
00:31:26,690 --> 00:31:23,179
say that I didn't say

763
00:31:29,149 --> 00:31:26,700
so that maybe it may be a joint project

764
00:31:31,970 --> 00:31:29,159
between those two aerospace companies

765
00:31:34,250 --> 00:31:31,980
I've had aerospace engineers report them

766
00:31:36,889 --> 00:31:34,260
and and the one guy he was out by plant

767
00:31:38,930 --> 00:31:36,899
42 he was working late it was three

768
00:31:42,230 --> 00:31:38,940
o'clock in the morning and he described

769
00:31:45,110 --> 00:31:42,240
exactly what you just described it was a

770
00:31:47,269 --> 00:31:45,120
black triangle uh the lights were off

771
00:31:49,070 --> 00:31:47,279
but he could see it blot out the stars

772
00:31:53,810 --> 00:31:49,080
and he said this thing flew right over

773
00:31:57,529 --> 00:31:53,820
him silent as could be and and he saw it

774
00:31:59,570 --> 00:31:57,539
hover over the Gate of plant 40 and he

775
00:32:02,210 --> 00:31:59,580
said and it landed like a feather he

776
00:32:04,190 --> 00:32:02,220
said I've never seen anything so

777
00:32:06,590 --> 00:32:04,200
beautiful or So Graceful

778
00:32:09,049 --> 00:32:06,600
and he said Do you happen to know how I

779
00:32:11,450 --> 00:32:09,059
could work on that project that was that

780
00:32:13,850 --> 00:32:11,460
was the way we finished the the phone

781
00:32:15,289 --> 00:32:13,860
call I told them well I don't my mom

782
00:32:19,810 --> 00:32:15,299
might have been able to have helped you

783
00:32:22,490 --> 00:32:19,820
but I I not sure you know

784
00:32:24,470 --> 00:32:22,500
foreign the strange movement for me was

785
00:32:26,630 --> 00:32:24,480
the way it moved off diagonally very

786
00:32:29,149 --> 00:32:26,640
steadily over the there was no turn

787
00:32:30,950 --> 00:32:29,159
there was no there's no forward or

788
00:32:33,529 --> 00:32:30,960
reverse on these things they can go any

789
00:32:35,990 --> 00:32:33,539
Direction they want they I had one guy

790
00:32:39,169 --> 00:32:36,000
that saw one of the black triangles that

791
00:32:42,710 --> 00:32:39,179
was hovering sideways so he could see

792
00:32:47,269 --> 00:32:42,720
the the top of it it was just toughering

793
00:32:50,450 --> 00:32:47,279
sideways so they must have gravity uh

794
00:32:52,669 --> 00:32:50,460
worked out in in in in the the cabin

795
00:32:55,549 --> 00:32:52,679
somehow where people would benefit in

796
00:32:57,590 --> 00:32:55,559
the wall anyone inside yeah I think so

797
00:32:59,750 --> 00:32:57,600
I'm pretty darn sure they're banned why

798
00:33:01,190 --> 00:32:59,760
would they make them so huge you know

799
00:33:04,130 --> 00:33:01,200
some of them are the size of a football

800
00:33:05,510 --> 00:33:04,140
field they have uh three sizes is what

801
00:33:09,470 --> 00:33:05,520
I've been told there's one that's about

802
00:33:13,730 --> 00:33:09,480
the size of a fighter uh plane uh

803
00:33:16,009 --> 00:33:13,740
there's one that's uh about the size of

804
00:33:19,130 --> 00:33:16,019
half the size of a football field and

805
00:33:20,450 --> 00:33:19,140
then there's a big one that they've got

806
00:33:22,370 --> 00:33:20,460
um

807
00:33:24,649 --> 00:33:22,380
but again you know I don't know these

808
00:33:26,750 --> 00:33:24,659
might these might not be ours I mean

809
00:33:28,070 --> 00:33:26,760
people say a lot of funny things out

810
00:33:30,230 --> 00:33:28,080
there

811
00:33:33,049 --> 00:33:30,240
um and and I'm sure the technology came

812
00:33:36,310 --> 00:33:33,059
from uh came from elsewhere

813
00:33:39,110 --> 00:33:36,320
let me ask Errol when you get a report

814
00:33:40,970 --> 00:33:39,120
what does the average report that comes

815
00:33:43,190 --> 00:33:40,980
through to move on look like what what

816
00:33:44,750 --> 00:33:43,200
kind of details do you get and then I'd

817
00:33:48,590 --> 00:33:44,760
love you to follow up with what would

818
00:33:50,990 --> 00:33:48,600
you like to get on top of that sure well

819
00:33:53,389 --> 00:33:51,000
um it'll it'll tell the time the place

820
00:33:56,870 --> 00:33:53,399
uh I'll find the coordinates I'll find

821
00:33:57,610 --> 00:33:56,880
the weather patterns for that area

822
00:34:00,289 --> 00:33:57,620
um

823
00:34:02,330 --> 00:34:00,299
sometimes people will submit a video or

824
00:34:04,130 --> 00:34:02,340
a photograph

825
00:34:06,590 --> 00:34:04,140
um a lot of sightings wind up being

826
00:34:08,810 --> 00:34:06,600
prosaic objects I mean the little hobby

827
00:34:10,730 --> 00:34:08,820
drones they make them to look like UFOs

828
00:34:11,690 --> 00:34:10,740
now and they have the lights that spin

829
00:34:15,109 --> 00:34:11,700
around

830
00:34:17,570 --> 00:34:15,119
and I had uh some woman thought that her

831
00:34:20,149 --> 00:34:17,580
son had been terrorized by a UFO she

832
00:34:21,950 --> 00:34:20,159
sent to this report in and I'm watching

833
00:34:23,510 --> 00:34:21,960
the video and she said it's been

834
00:34:26,570 --> 00:34:23,520
following my son

835
00:34:28,369 --> 00:34:26,580
and I looked at the rep I looked at the

836
00:34:31,550 --> 00:34:28,379
video and it was of a it was a hobby

837
00:34:33,369 --> 00:34:31,560
drone so somebody was maybe spying on

838
00:34:37,550 --> 00:34:33,379
her son

839
00:34:41,629 --> 00:34:37,560
but it wasn't aliens I have but then you

840
00:34:43,550 --> 00:34:41,639
know I I have so many you know a lot of

841
00:34:44,570 --> 00:34:43,560
reports of

842
00:34:47,750 --> 00:34:44,580
um

843
00:34:50,149 --> 00:34:47,760
of abductions and visitations

844
00:34:53,030 --> 00:34:50,159
and I think that if you the closer you

845
00:34:55,909 --> 00:34:53,040
get to the phenomena and the and the and

846
00:34:58,849 --> 00:34:55,919
when you start poking at it uh I've I've

847
00:35:01,370 --> 00:34:58,859
had an experience myself uh seven years

848
00:35:04,430 --> 00:35:01,380
ago my wife and I had weird anomalies

849
00:35:07,670 --> 00:35:04,440
where our room flooded with light I I

850
00:35:09,950 --> 00:35:07,680
became paralyzed and I had beings come

851
00:35:13,190 --> 00:35:09,960
through the wall and this was not

852
00:35:15,050 --> 00:35:13,200
something that my uh that my state

853
00:35:18,170 --> 00:35:15,060
wanted to hear he was kind of a nuts and

854
00:35:20,450 --> 00:35:18,180
bolts guy about the phenomenon and and

855
00:35:23,990 --> 00:35:20,460
his feeling was was that this doesn't

856
00:35:26,690 --> 00:35:24,000
happen but once in a blue moon it was

857
00:35:29,930 --> 00:35:26,700
very uncommon uh but working for the

858
00:35:32,450 --> 00:35:29,940
experience or resource team at mufon uh

859
00:35:35,150 --> 00:35:32,460
abductions and visitations are very very

860
00:35:37,550 --> 00:35:35,160
common actually I would say one out of a

861
00:35:39,829 --> 00:35:37,560
hundred persons is probably an abductee

862
00:35:42,230 --> 00:35:39,839
or a visitee

863
00:35:44,329 --> 00:35:42,240
um and and for a long time it was a DNA

864
00:35:47,750 --> 00:35:44,339
farming thing that was going on

865
00:35:49,010 --> 00:35:47,760
uh now it's more downloads and and it

866
00:35:50,329 --> 00:35:49,020
seems like

867
00:35:53,750 --> 00:35:50,339
um they're getting

868
00:35:56,510 --> 00:35:53,760
maybe getting us ready for actual

869
00:35:58,790 --> 00:35:56,520
full-on disclosure

870
00:36:00,230 --> 00:35:58,800
um because I I think that there's a fear

871
00:36:02,810 --> 00:36:00,240
of how we're going to react I mean

872
00:36:04,550 --> 00:36:02,820
that's what my mom my mom said way back

873
00:36:06,710 --> 00:36:04,560
in the 70s she said they're never going

874
00:36:08,150 --> 00:36:06,720
to tell the public this Earl because

875
00:36:11,690 --> 00:36:08,160
they're afraid of how people are going

876
00:36:14,390 --> 00:36:11,700
to react people you know they they you

877
00:36:16,550 --> 00:36:14,400
know she brought up the H.G Wells War of

878
00:36:19,430 --> 00:36:16,560
the Worlds Radio cast

879
00:36:21,290 --> 00:36:19,440
uh back in the 1930s and people were

880
00:36:22,730 --> 00:36:21,300
jumping out of Windows and off of

881
00:36:24,770 --> 00:36:22,740
buildings and draining their bank

882
00:36:27,050 --> 00:36:24,780
accounts and

883
00:36:30,050 --> 00:36:27,060
um and I imagine you know just seeing

884
00:36:31,670 --> 00:36:30,060
the way that people act now

885
00:36:34,970 --> 00:36:31,680
um they're probably afraid that people

886
00:36:36,770 --> 00:36:34,980
would start shooting at them or you know

887
00:36:39,410 --> 00:36:36,780
I mean I don't so I think that we're

888
00:36:40,970 --> 00:36:39,420
being prepared probably

889
00:36:43,130 --> 00:36:40,980
and I think the public are more

890
00:36:45,589 --> 00:36:43,140
desensitized now though than than that

891
00:36:47,150 --> 00:36:45,599
we are 80 or 90 years ago but I think

892
00:36:49,790 --> 00:36:47,160
people maybe they are more accepting

893
00:36:53,630 --> 00:36:49,800
yeah but I think as long as it's like

894
00:36:56,750 --> 00:36:53,640
there might be aliens you know or UFOs

895
00:36:59,030 --> 00:36:56,760
might be real people seem to be okay

896
00:37:01,550 --> 00:36:59,040
with that but as soon as they find out

897
00:37:04,130 --> 00:37:01,560
no they're living here Among Us and and

898
00:37:06,829 --> 00:37:04,140
they have are interacting with people

899
00:37:10,250 --> 00:37:06,839
and uh they're kind of in charge

900
00:37:12,710 --> 00:37:10,260
uh I think people are gonna probably not

901
00:37:15,470 --> 00:37:12,720
read so well to that I mean we know that

902
00:37:19,010 --> 00:37:15,480
they can turn nuclear web often on I

903
00:37:21,349 --> 00:37:19,020
mean we've seen them do it my DOT by

904
00:37:25,310 --> 00:37:21,359
South he was a commander of a nuclear

905
00:37:27,349 --> 00:37:25,320
base in Montana and uh a UFO hovered

906
00:37:30,410 --> 00:37:27,359
over the nuclear base and he was

907
00:37:32,690 --> 00:37:30,420
downstairs with the icbms and he watched

908
00:37:35,710 --> 00:37:32,700
as which one was taken offline it was

909
00:37:41,450 --> 00:37:38,630
so that those were our you know weapons

910
00:37:43,730 --> 00:37:41,460
of mass destruction and and this saucer

911
00:37:46,670 --> 00:37:43,740
is hovering upstairs the the guard that

912
00:37:49,670 --> 00:37:46,680
was still up on top was yelling over the

913
00:37:52,609 --> 00:37:49,680
radio my God you know it's it's a fine

914
00:37:55,790 --> 00:37:52,619
saucer well Bob was busy downstairs

915
00:37:57,829 --> 00:37:55,800
because our our nation's security was

916
00:38:00,710 --> 00:37:57,839
Jeopardy

917
00:38:02,930 --> 00:38:00,720
um and then he watched as each missile

918
00:38:05,990 --> 00:38:02,940
was put back online so it was like bit

919
00:38:08,510 --> 00:38:06,000
bit bit taking him offline and then they

920
00:38:10,490 --> 00:38:08,520
brought them back online and it was a

921
00:38:12,829 --> 00:38:10,500
show of power just like I think the Tic

922
00:38:14,930 --> 00:38:12,839
Tac event was you know the Tic Tac

923
00:38:17,390 --> 00:38:14,940
played Cat and Mouse with those with

924
00:38:20,089 --> 00:38:17,400
that Squadron of planes they couldn't

925
00:38:23,150 --> 00:38:20,099
keep up with it and it you know that

926
00:38:26,470 --> 00:38:23,160
when when it finally took off

927
00:38:29,990 --> 00:38:26,480
this was over in in

928
00:38:32,569 --> 00:38:30,000
2004 near Catalina Island with the the

929
00:38:35,390 --> 00:38:32,579
aircraft carrier the USS Nimitz and the

930
00:38:37,790 --> 00:38:35,400
Destroyer the Princeton

931
00:38:40,810 --> 00:38:37,800
um the Squadron they had a cap point

932
00:38:43,970 --> 00:38:40,820
which was a random predetermined uh

933
00:38:46,250 --> 00:38:43,980
coordinate and it wasn't just uh

934
00:38:48,950 --> 00:38:46,260
latitude and longitude but it was also

935
00:38:51,109 --> 00:38:48,960
you know the height that they were going

936
00:38:53,510 --> 00:38:51,119
to meet at was all figured out

937
00:38:55,970 --> 00:38:53,520
well they said okay well we don't Tic

938
00:38:59,150 --> 00:38:55,980
Tac anywhere uh we're gonna meet back at

939
00:39:01,130 --> 00:38:59,160
the cap point and they got a radio radio

940
00:39:04,490 --> 00:39:01,140
from from the Nimitz they said well

941
00:39:07,490 --> 00:39:04,500
don't look now but the the UFO is is

942
00:39:09,310 --> 00:39:07,500
waiting at your cap point for you

943
00:39:12,410 --> 00:39:09,320
yeah this wasn't in their computer

944
00:39:15,589 --> 00:39:12,420
wasn't spoken of on the radio it was a

945
00:39:19,190 --> 00:39:15,599
secret it was secret coordinates so

946
00:39:20,990 --> 00:39:19,200
either this thing read their minds or

947
00:39:23,510 --> 00:39:21,000
I don't know I don't know how they knew

948
00:39:26,470 --> 00:39:23,520
it as far as I remember with the cap

949
00:39:29,510 --> 00:39:26,480
with the cap point it had been used

950
00:39:31,790 --> 00:39:29,520
several times before the incident and

951
00:39:34,550 --> 00:39:31,800
those Tic Tacs had been there for a week

952
00:39:36,650 --> 00:39:34,560
before The Intercept so there's

953
00:39:39,230 --> 00:39:36,660
potential that it's a learned behavior

954
00:39:41,510 --> 00:39:39,240
that that also mimicking the fact that

955
00:39:43,370 --> 00:39:41,520
we know you're going to this point so

956
00:39:45,890 --> 00:39:43,380
yeah much like what was the show of

957
00:39:48,950 --> 00:39:45,900
power you know yeah I mean cat and mouse

958
00:39:50,270 --> 00:39:48,960
with those planes there is nothing they

959
00:39:51,890 --> 00:39:50,280
could do they couldn't catch up with it

960
00:39:53,829 --> 00:39:51,900
I mean this thing was traveling at Mach

961
00:39:56,569 --> 00:39:53,839
18.

962
00:40:00,170 --> 00:39:56,579
making 90 degree turns it was like a

963
00:40:03,589 --> 00:40:00,180
roadrunner you know Wiley Coyote cartoon

964
00:40:06,530 --> 00:40:03,599
you know or the I mean physics

965
00:40:08,450 --> 00:40:06,540
they dictate that objects are are able

966
00:40:10,370 --> 00:40:08,460
to do certain things if you're traveling

967
00:40:13,250 --> 00:40:10,380
Mach 18 you're going to have 18 Sonic

968
00:40:16,550 --> 00:40:13,260
booms there was not one single spoon

969
00:40:18,230 --> 00:40:16,560
that this thing made you know I want to

970
00:40:19,670 --> 00:40:18,240
ask you a questionnaire just before I

971
00:40:21,710 --> 00:40:19,680
talk to you about some of the more

972
00:40:23,030 --> 00:40:21,720
spectacular cases that you've looked at

973
00:40:25,609 --> 00:40:23,040
you mentioned the you know the

974
00:40:28,970 --> 00:40:25,619
abductions or Landings potentially

975
00:40:30,950 --> 00:40:28,980
on those more prosaic cases so I

976
00:40:33,230 --> 00:40:30,960
mentioned just before I hit record with

977
00:40:36,349 --> 00:40:33,240
you one of the listeners sent me a DM at

978
00:40:38,690 --> 00:40:36,359
JJ thank you very much and JJ's daughter

979
00:40:40,730 --> 00:40:38,700
had been out to try and film a comet

980
00:40:43,370 --> 00:40:40,740
last night that was passing over the

981
00:40:46,790 --> 00:40:43,380
Earth what she ended up filming was a

982
00:40:49,730 --> 00:40:46,800
light in the sky it's frustrating

983
00:40:52,250 --> 00:40:49,740
because it's a very similar video to

984
00:40:55,250 --> 00:40:52,260
what I see quite often and it's not down

985
00:40:57,650 --> 00:40:55,260
to the the lack of the witness being

986
00:40:59,930 --> 00:40:57,660
incorrect it's the technology we have

987
00:41:02,690 --> 00:40:59,940
that the camera phones never look as

988
00:41:04,790 --> 00:41:02,700
good as a naked eye and he tells me he

989
00:41:07,069 --> 00:41:04,800
doesn't think it was starlink it is just

990
00:41:08,930 --> 00:41:07,079
a light against a black Sky

991
00:41:11,510 --> 00:41:08,940
um and I asked if there was any more

992
00:41:13,730 --> 00:41:11,520
information and I said nope trying to

993
00:41:15,470 --> 00:41:13,740
film the comet saw this instead went

994
00:41:16,730 --> 00:41:15,480
back out a few minutes later but nothing

995
00:41:19,069 --> 00:41:16,740
was there

996
00:41:21,170 --> 00:41:19,079
um and I wonder that must be something

997
00:41:23,930 --> 00:41:21,180
one that you get quite a lot just the

998
00:41:26,089 --> 00:41:23,940
the light against the dark sky but what

999
00:41:30,170 --> 00:41:26,099
could people do that would help yourself

1000
00:41:33,410 --> 00:41:30,180
or other investigators follow that up

1001
00:41:36,950 --> 00:41:33,420
um one thing that people can do is is uh

1002
00:41:39,950 --> 00:41:36,960
you can get uh there are certain apps

1003
00:41:44,030 --> 00:41:39,960
that like stars oh what's it called Star

1004
00:41:46,849 --> 00:41:44,040
Walk I think is one uh where it it gives

1005
00:41:49,250 --> 00:41:46,859
you you can see what's supposed to be up

1006
00:41:51,710 --> 00:41:49,260
there in the night sky

1007
00:41:54,230 --> 00:41:51,720
um also there's the flight radar app

1008
00:41:57,170 --> 00:41:54,240
that you can get to find out if it's you

1009
00:41:59,089 --> 00:41:57,180
know one of ours or or it's a plane or

1010
00:42:01,430 --> 00:41:59,099
you know if it's something it's supposed

1011
00:42:05,270 --> 00:42:01,440
to be up there it'll be you know the the

1012
00:42:08,750 --> 00:42:05,280
FAA number and everything will be there

1013
00:42:11,030 --> 00:42:08,760
um also I will get satellite tracker

1014
00:42:13,550 --> 00:42:11,040
there's a very good satellite Tracker

1015
00:42:14,870 --> 00:42:13,560
app of course we have spy satellites

1016
00:42:16,730 --> 00:42:14,880
everybody has them and those aren't

1017
00:42:18,410 --> 00:42:16,740
going to be on the Spy truck on the

1018
00:42:21,349 --> 00:42:18,420
satellite Tracker app yeah because

1019
00:42:23,089 --> 00:42:21,359
there's there's spice satellites

1020
00:42:25,430 --> 00:42:23,099
yeah so it could be any one of those

1021
00:42:28,250 --> 00:42:25,440
things or it could be it could be a

1022
00:42:30,650 --> 00:42:28,260
spaceship from Alpha Centauri as far as

1023
00:42:33,170 --> 00:42:30,660
but lights in the sky are frustrating

1024
00:42:35,990 --> 00:42:33,180
about the best I can do is tell you if

1025
00:42:38,750 --> 00:42:36,000
Jupiter Venus or some you know or or if

1026
00:42:42,349 --> 00:42:38,760
the ISS was passing over that could

1027
00:42:45,170 --> 00:42:42,359
after like a lit up cross shape when it

1028
00:42:48,650 --> 00:42:45,180
goes over I I you know I I have another

1029
00:42:50,569 --> 00:42:48,660
app ISS uh tracker and my wife and I

1030
00:42:52,849 --> 00:42:50,579
like to go outside and watch it fly over

1031
00:42:54,650 --> 00:42:52,859
you know it's uh there there's the space

1032
00:42:56,930 --> 00:42:54,660
station honey look

1033
00:42:58,849 --> 00:42:56,940
um quite often here as well and that's

1034
00:43:00,410 --> 00:42:58,859
tilty think wow there's this object

1035
00:43:02,630 --> 00:43:00,420
going overhead with a couple of people

1036
00:43:06,710 --> 00:43:02,640
you took them off you know what it was

1037
00:43:09,410 --> 00:43:06,720
wasn't right and uh end of the day uh

1038
00:43:12,470 --> 00:43:09,420
I'll I'll usually have an answer for the

1039
00:43:14,270 --> 00:43:12,480
person but lights in the sky again can

1040
00:43:17,450 --> 00:43:14,280
be really frustrating because it could

1041
00:43:20,750 --> 00:43:17,460
be a helicopter way in the distance uh

1042
00:43:22,730 --> 00:43:20,760
or it could be Star Trek you know uh

1043
00:43:24,950 --> 00:43:22,740
listen let's let's get a bit more Star

1044
00:43:29,089 --> 00:43:24,960
Trek then because you mentioned 900 plus

1045
00:43:31,370 --> 00:43:29,099
reports 90 to 95 of them are explainable

1046
00:43:33,290 --> 00:43:31,380
and something prosaic but that's that's

1047
00:43:35,630 --> 00:43:33,300
a good thing because we want to be able

1048
00:43:37,309 --> 00:43:35,640
to explain a way that we can get to the

1049
00:43:39,230 --> 00:43:37,319
better quality data and that that

1050
00:43:41,450 --> 00:43:39,240
includes what the the US government are

1051
00:43:43,849 --> 00:43:41,460
doing just now with the adult organ air

1052
00:43:45,290 --> 00:43:43,859
program and the the fact that they're

1053
00:43:47,510 --> 00:43:45,300
getting more and more reports from

1054
00:43:49,490 --> 00:43:47,520
pilots and people can get frustrated

1055
00:43:51,170 --> 00:43:49,500
when they hear oh well fifty percent of

1056
00:43:54,109 --> 00:43:51,180
them have been solved but that means 50

1057
00:43:56,690 --> 00:43:54,119
haven't and even if five percent of that

1058
00:43:58,490 --> 00:43:56,700
50 that haven't been solved still remain

1059
00:44:01,010 --> 00:43:58,500
unexplained after a period of time

1060
00:44:03,770 --> 00:44:01,020
that's some really good quality data to

1061
00:44:05,630 --> 00:44:03,780
look into and I wonder in those 900

1062
00:44:07,250 --> 00:44:05,640
reports what are some of the standout

1063
00:44:09,770 --> 00:44:07,260
cases that you've been involved in or

1064
00:44:12,349 --> 00:44:09,780
you've had the fortune to look at I had

1065
00:44:15,170 --> 00:44:12,359
uh one sighting that happened a few

1066
00:44:21,050 --> 00:44:15,180
years ago where two women followed after

1067
00:44:24,530 --> 00:44:21,060
uh a spherical uh red glowing ball all

1068
00:44:26,770 --> 00:44:24,540
that was flying through Azusa California

1069
00:44:31,309 --> 00:44:26,780
A to Z

1070
00:44:36,410 --> 00:44:31,319
USA is is Azusa it's it's an acronym and

1071
00:44:39,530 --> 00:44:36,420
they named the city A to Z USA But Azusa

1072
00:44:41,750 --> 00:44:39,540
um and they they followed this UFO

1073
00:44:44,450 --> 00:44:41,760
through town they did a Chase through

1074
00:44:46,910 --> 00:44:44,460
town and they wound up stuck in a

1075
00:44:48,650 --> 00:44:46,920
cul-de-sac next to this park and they

1076
00:44:51,349 --> 00:44:48,660
couldn't go any further and they watched

1077
00:44:54,349 --> 00:44:51,359
this thing go travel over to the to the

1078
00:44:57,290 --> 00:44:54,359
San Bernardino Mountains mountain range

1079
00:44:58,849 --> 00:44:57,300
that's there and it was just hovering I

1080
00:45:00,589 --> 00:44:58,859
could do what you call the Falling Leaf

1081
00:45:03,470 --> 00:45:00,599
motion it was sort of going back and

1082
00:45:05,089 --> 00:45:03,480
forth hovering in place

1083
00:45:06,650 --> 00:45:05,099
um they're watching this little tiny

1084
00:45:09,349 --> 00:45:06,660
ball when all of a sudden everything

1085
00:45:10,910 --> 00:45:09,359
lights up behind them they turn around

1086
00:45:14,030 --> 00:45:10,920
if they're out of their car at this

1087
00:45:16,370 --> 00:45:14,040
point and there was a flying saucer that

1088
00:45:18,470 --> 00:45:16,380
was hovering like a hundred feet away

1089
00:45:21,829 --> 00:45:18,480
from them I mean it's almost like they

1090
00:45:24,650 --> 00:45:21,839
were chasing the UFO and they maybe sent

1091
00:45:26,809 --> 00:45:24,660
a bigger one to chase them

1092
00:45:29,809 --> 00:45:26,819
um so these women watched this it seemed

1093
00:45:32,470 --> 00:45:29,819
to to go in and out of existence I think

1094
00:45:36,050 --> 00:45:32,480
that it had sort of uh like like a

1095
00:45:40,309 --> 00:45:36,060
invisibility Shield kind of thing that

1096
00:45:42,230 --> 00:45:40,319
was either misoperating or I don't know

1097
00:45:45,290 --> 00:45:42,240
but they would watch it sort of

1098
00:45:48,890 --> 00:45:45,300
disappear and then reappear had four big

1099
00:45:50,870 --> 00:45:48,900
bright lights that were inside of like

1100
00:45:53,030 --> 00:45:50,880
on the bottom of this craft and it was

1101
00:45:56,030 --> 00:45:53,040
technically a flying saucer

1102
00:45:59,569 --> 00:45:56,040
uh well we got a third report from five

1103
00:46:02,270 --> 00:45:59,579
miles away there's a x uh Air Force

1104
00:46:05,150 --> 00:46:02,280
officer that lived uh in the next town

1105
00:46:07,730 --> 00:46:05,160
over and he saw this from five miles

1106
00:46:09,890 --> 00:46:07,740
away and he put in a report as well so

1107
00:46:13,309 --> 00:46:09,900
there were three different good

1108
00:46:15,349 --> 00:46:13,319
Witnesses for this uh sighting

1109
00:46:18,170 --> 00:46:15,359
um I had BuzzFeed come out with a camera

1110
00:46:21,589 --> 00:46:18,180
crew and interview the I mean you know

1111
00:46:25,250 --> 00:46:21,599
it was just a very very good case

1112
00:46:30,170 --> 00:46:25,260
um other wonderful cases uh I mean I

1113
00:46:35,329 --> 00:46:32,630
um it's just like an embarrassment of

1114
00:46:37,190 --> 00:46:35,339
riches is the way I see it now I may

1115
00:46:40,970 --> 00:46:37,200
have you know personally I've I've

1116
00:46:45,190 --> 00:46:40,980
investigated 900 cases and many of those

1117
00:46:48,410 --> 00:46:45,200
wound up being you know uh drones and

1118
00:46:51,349 --> 00:46:48,420
stars or or planets and something that

1119
00:46:54,589 --> 00:46:51,359
people misidentified but you got to

1120
00:46:57,230 --> 00:46:54,599
remember out of that number about 80 of

1121
00:47:00,050 --> 00:46:57,240
those wound up being UFOs and they're

1122
00:47:02,630 --> 00:47:00,060
and they're all solid cases I mean I I

1123
00:47:06,349 --> 00:47:02,640
tell people you can go ahead and try and

1124
00:47:08,390 --> 00:47:06,359
tear my cases apart I want you to so far

1125
00:47:10,069 --> 00:47:08,400
nobody's been able to debunk a single

1126
00:47:13,430 --> 00:47:10,079
one you know because I'm very very

1127
00:47:16,069 --> 00:47:13,440
thorough that's a lot of UFOs that's

1128
00:47:18,530 --> 00:47:16,079
just you know that's I there there's

1129
00:47:19,970 --> 00:47:18,540
eight other eight to ten other field

1130
00:47:22,730 --> 00:47:19,980
investigators here in Southern

1131
00:47:25,970 --> 00:47:22,740
California that work under me those are

1132
00:47:28,730 --> 00:47:25,980
just my UFOs all those guys have you

1133
00:47:30,770 --> 00:47:28,740
know a number of of unknowns as well so

1134
00:47:32,930 --> 00:47:30,780
you have to to add all those unknowns

1135
00:47:35,329 --> 00:47:32,940
together that's pretty darn good for

1136
00:47:39,710 --> 00:47:35,339
seven years it's probably up somewhere

1137
00:47:42,829 --> 00:47:39,720
around maybe 100 UFOs that are confirmed

1138
00:47:44,930 --> 00:47:42,839
um unknowns unknown doesn't mean it came

1139
00:47:46,809 --> 00:47:44,940
from another planet but it it doesn't

1140
00:47:49,670 --> 00:47:46,819
mean it didn't come from another sure

1141
00:47:51,710 --> 00:47:49,680
you know that's what it says on the 10

1142
00:47:54,230 --> 00:47:51,720
yeah what did the listeners got in touch

1143
00:47:56,450 --> 00:47:54,240
Tom who lives out in Kentucky and he

1144
00:47:58,910 --> 00:47:56,460
says he regularly searches the miffon

1145
00:48:01,069 --> 00:47:58,920
database and he sees videos and comments

1146
00:48:02,809 --> 00:48:01,079
that are posted by individuals and he

1147
00:48:05,569 --> 00:48:02,819
had a couple of questions

1148
00:48:08,390 --> 00:48:05,579
um is there any follow-up done on these

1149
00:48:10,670 --> 00:48:08,400
and if so how is that then reported on

1150
00:48:12,650 --> 00:48:10,680
the database so if someone does send in

1151
00:48:15,530 --> 00:48:12,660
a video do you get to see the follow-up

1152
00:48:18,530 --> 00:48:15,540
and the follow-on comments as well

1153
00:48:20,329 --> 00:48:18,540
um well we we do want to keep people a

1154
00:48:22,430 --> 00:48:20,339
lot there there is a way that you can

1155
00:48:24,230 --> 00:48:22,440
stay Anonymous if you have a sighting

1156
00:48:27,589 --> 00:48:24,240
and I just I try to keep people

1157
00:48:30,230 --> 00:48:27,599
Anonymous anyway I'm a old retired nurse

1158
00:48:32,450 --> 00:48:30,240
and we had to go by what they call HIPAA

1159
00:48:34,569 --> 00:48:32,460
law and it's very kind of strict you

1160
00:48:37,609 --> 00:48:34,579
can't give a person's information out

1161
00:48:39,530 --> 00:48:37,619
and so I'm used to sort of those

1162
00:48:42,050 --> 00:48:39,540
parameters and I kind of treat my

1163
00:48:44,870 --> 00:48:42,060
Witnesses with the same care because

1164
00:48:46,550 --> 00:48:44,880
there still is uh ridicule out there if

1165
00:48:48,530 --> 00:48:46,560
you say that you've been abducted

1166
00:48:51,530 --> 00:48:48,540
especially you know

1167
00:48:55,309 --> 00:48:51,540
um I'm going to be on Ancient Aliens uh

1168
00:48:57,890 --> 00:48:55,319
on February 10th Place not sure when it

1169
00:48:59,870 --> 00:48:57,900
will play in the UK but uh it's this

1170
00:49:02,569 --> 00:48:59,880
season and it's a little scary because

1171
00:49:06,349 --> 00:49:02,579
I'm talking about the the visitation

1172
00:49:08,030 --> 00:49:06,359
that my wife and I experienced and I I

1173
00:49:09,530 --> 00:49:08,040
know well that you know there's going to

1174
00:49:11,870 --> 00:49:09,540
be some people that are going to say did

1175
00:49:13,069 --> 00:49:11,880
he get probed you know no I didn't get

1176
00:49:13,750 --> 00:49:13,079
probed

1177
00:49:16,309 --> 00:49:13,760
um

1178
00:49:19,069 --> 00:49:16,319
there's so I'm very careful with with

1179
00:49:21,349 --> 00:49:19,079
people's identities and their reports

1180
00:49:23,809 --> 00:49:21,359
but I do put them out there I mean I do

1181
00:49:27,829 --> 00:49:23,819
a lot of podcasts a lot of radio and and

1182
00:49:29,930 --> 00:49:27,839
television and and uh I'm not uh it's

1183
00:49:32,930 --> 00:49:29,940
not like we we're not like the black

1184
00:49:35,270 --> 00:49:32,940
hole of of UFO reports I make sure that

1185
00:49:37,970 --> 00:49:35,280
if it's a good UFO sighting that it gets

1186
00:49:40,309 --> 00:49:37,980
out to people I put it on social media

1187
00:49:42,710 --> 00:49:40,319
if I have a really good case

1188
00:49:45,230 --> 00:49:42,720
um I do teach a class uh accredited

1189
00:49:47,950 --> 00:49:45,240
college class in ufology at Otis College

1190
00:49:50,930 --> 00:49:47,960
of Art and Design here in Los Angeles

1191
00:49:54,230 --> 00:49:50,940
and I'll I'll teach my class with my own

1192
00:49:56,210 --> 00:49:54,240
cases and uh you know I mean I've got a

1193
00:49:59,690 --> 00:49:56,220
lot of flying saucer cases I've got

1194
00:50:02,569 --> 00:49:59,700
multiple abduction and visitations uh

1195
00:50:05,930 --> 00:50:02,579
one one guy was literally abducted

1196
00:50:09,109 --> 00:50:05,940
through the roof of his barracks

1197
00:50:10,790 --> 00:50:09,119
at a major Marine base here in in

1198
00:50:12,829 --> 00:50:10,800
Southern California

1199
00:50:16,609 --> 00:50:12,839
it's taken through the roof he was taken

1200
00:50:20,510 --> 00:50:16,619
up to a a ship and and uh and this guy

1201
00:50:23,630 --> 00:50:20,520
was he had PTSD from his alien account

1202
00:50:26,870 --> 00:50:23,640
he went to Vietnam and fought and he

1203
00:50:29,210 --> 00:50:26,880
didn't have PTSD from going to war uh he

1204
00:50:30,770 --> 00:50:29,220
finally his kids told him about mufon

1205
00:50:32,990 --> 00:50:30,780
and said well maybe you can get some

1206
00:50:35,329 --> 00:50:33,000
help and somebody to at least talk with

1207
00:50:39,109 --> 00:50:35,339
you and explain some of the stuff

1208
00:50:42,230 --> 00:50:39,119
and it was a wonderful wonderful UFO

1209
00:50:45,050 --> 00:50:42,240
report but kind of a scary case

1210
00:50:47,569 --> 00:50:45,060
um I have another case recently where a

1211
00:50:51,410 --> 00:50:47,579
young girl was living in a national park

1212
00:50:53,750 --> 00:50:51,420
her father was a park ranger very remote

1213
00:50:55,910 --> 00:50:53,760
and they they started seeing lights and

1214
00:50:56,990 --> 00:50:55,920
she had an encounter where she was

1215
00:50:59,809 --> 00:50:57,000
healed

1216
00:51:01,130 --> 00:50:59,819
of lung condition that uh they they

1217
00:51:03,530 --> 00:51:01,140
didn't think that she would live through

1218
00:51:04,790 --> 00:51:03,540
puberty she was only about eight to ten

1219
00:51:07,910 --> 00:51:04,800
years old

1220
00:51:10,130 --> 00:51:07,920
and uh and she she was abducted or

1221
00:51:12,049 --> 00:51:10,140
visited she's not sure which happened

1222
00:51:13,730 --> 00:51:12,059
because her memory is

1223
00:51:16,490 --> 00:51:13,740
you know I guess that she could get

1224
00:51:20,329 --> 00:51:16,500
hypnotic uh regression if she wanted to

1225
00:51:22,250 --> 00:51:20,339
to to to be get that memory back but

1226
00:51:24,890 --> 00:51:22,260
she's just happy to know she remembers

1227
00:51:26,990 --> 00:51:24,900
seeing the entities uh they were very

1228
00:51:29,510 --> 00:51:27,000
gentle and kind with her and they they

1229
00:51:32,690 --> 00:51:29,520
cured her she went on to live a normal

1230
00:51:34,569 --> 00:51:32,700
life she's in her mid-50s now and she

1231
00:51:37,430 --> 00:51:34,579
never had another problem with her lungs

1232
00:51:40,910 --> 00:51:37,440
and uh she wasn't supposed to live to

1233
00:51:42,890 --> 00:51:40,920
puberty is what they thought so

1234
00:51:44,750 --> 00:51:42,900
um it's just a very strange phenomena

1235
00:51:46,670 --> 00:51:44,760
but I don't think they're here to attack

1236
00:51:48,950 --> 00:51:46,680
us I don't think they're here to invade

1237
00:51:51,470 --> 00:51:48,960
us if they're going to invade us they're

1238
00:51:54,829 --> 00:51:51,480
doing a poor job of it you know they've

1239
00:51:57,530 --> 00:51:54,839
been here since at least 1947. and here

1240
00:52:01,790 --> 00:51:57,540
we are I mean our greatest threat is

1241
00:52:03,170 --> 00:52:01,800
still mankind you know yeah that's you

1242
00:52:05,030 --> 00:52:03,180
know they they have not dropped any

1243
00:52:06,890 --> 00:52:05,040
bombs on us they haven't dropped any

1244
00:52:10,430 --> 00:52:06,900
nukes on us they haven't threatened to

1245
00:52:12,530 --> 00:52:10,440
do that but here we you know or uh God

1246
00:52:15,370 --> 00:52:12,540
you know we're doing a good job of that

1247
00:52:18,770 --> 00:52:15,380
one we're doing a good job on our own

1248
00:52:21,290 --> 00:52:18,780
Errol I want to know can we ever get

1249
00:52:23,329 --> 00:52:21,300
that Smoking Gun evidence now you

1250
00:52:24,890 --> 00:52:23,339
mentioned earlier do you feel and many

1251
00:52:27,950 --> 00:52:24,900
people have had to say the same thing

1252
00:52:30,049 --> 00:52:27,960
disclosure has already happened but when

1253
00:52:32,809 --> 00:52:30,059
it comes to let's call it confirmation

1254
00:52:34,790 --> 00:52:32,819
100 proof that we have an

1255
00:52:36,710 --> 00:52:34,800
extraterrestrial intelligence or some

1256
00:52:40,069 --> 00:52:36,720
other non-human intelligence

1257
00:52:43,130 --> 00:52:40,079
visiting the planet do you see that sort

1258
00:52:45,530 --> 00:52:43,140
of confirmation coming from reporting to

1259
00:52:46,970 --> 00:52:45,540
an organization like mufon is it going

1260
00:52:50,150 --> 00:52:46,980
to be through a private organization

1261
00:52:52,670 --> 00:52:50,160
like the Galileo project or some sort of

1262
00:52:55,549 --> 00:52:52,680
official body like NASA where do you see

1263
00:52:59,750 --> 00:52:55,559
this playing out I think that if they

1264
00:53:01,549 --> 00:52:59,760
truly do full-on disclosure and I don't

1265
00:53:03,650 --> 00:53:01,559
know that they ever are going to I don't

1266
00:53:05,990 --> 00:53:03,660
know that the aliens themselves want us

1267
00:53:09,430 --> 00:53:06,000
to disclose I think that they're doing

1268
00:53:11,630 --> 00:53:09,440
just fine the way it is you know

1269
00:53:14,089 --> 00:53:11,640
you know they appeared with who they

1270
00:53:16,370 --> 00:53:14,099
want to appear and and and a lot of

1271
00:53:19,069 --> 00:53:16,380
people don't believe that they're even a

1272
00:53:21,410 --> 00:53:19,079
real thing so you know that that's

1273
00:53:22,549 --> 00:53:21,420
that's a pretty good uh status if you're

1274
00:53:28,790 --> 00:53:22,559
trying to

1275
00:53:29,930 --> 00:53:28,800
investigate a alien race which we would

1276
00:53:33,829 --> 00:53:29,940
be

1277
00:53:36,109 --> 00:53:33,839
but if it does happen I don't know who

1278
00:53:38,630 --> 00:53:36,119
they're going to get to disclose uh

1279
00:53:41,089 --> 00:53:38,640
there there's you know we're kind of a

1280
00:53:43,010 --> 00:53:41,099
our country is politically divided right

1281
00:53:45,950 --> 00:53:43,020
now and it's gotten to a fever pitch

1282
00:53:47,930 --> 00:53:45,960
where nobody really trusts half of the

1283
00:53:50,450 --> 00:53:47,940
country doesn't think that the president

1284
00:53:52,849 --> 00:53:50,460
who's in office is supposed to be there

1285
00:53:54,950 --> 00:53:52,859
and the last president half of the

1286
00:53:56,210 --> 00:53:54,960
country didn't think that he should be

1287
00:53:59,270 --> 00:53:56,220
there

1288
00:54:01,910 --> 00:53:59,280
um and and I think that you know

1289
00:54:04,849 --> 00:54:01,920
people will say oh you know fake news

1290
00:54:06,410 --> 00:54:04,859
right so it would have to be a

1291
00:54:08,450 --> 00:54:06,420
coordinated effort I think it would have

1292
00:54:10,670 --> 00:54:08,460
to be other countries involved it would

1293
00:54:11,990 --> 00:54:10,680
maybe be the United Nation enough to do

1294
00:54:14,030 --> 00:54:12,000
it

1295
00:54:16,069 --> 00:54:14,040
um I think that NASA and the various

1296
00:54:19,970 --> 00:54:16,079
science organizations would have to come

1297
00:54:22,069 --> 00:54:19,980
out I noticed that uh Neil deGrasse and

1298
00:54:26,150 --> 00:54:22,079
has kind of walked back as old

1299
00:54:28,970 --> 00:54:26,160
skepticism recently UFOs very

1300
00:54:32,510 --> 00:54:28,980
interesting he was sort of like the big

1301
00:54:34,970 --> 00:54:32,520
skeptic and rolling his eyes and and he

1302
00:54:37,430 --> 00:54:34,980
I just saw him on a on a show the other

1303
00:54:41,630 --> 00:54:37,440
day and he said that UFOs might actually

1304
00:54:43,910 --> 00:54:41,640
be alien space yeah that's that's new

1305
00:54:45,490 --> 00:54:43,920
that's that's a big step for for old

1306
00:54:47,930 --> 00:54:45,500
Neil

1307
00:54:49,430 --> 00:54:47,940
so we'll see you know I mean attitudes

1308
00:54:51,710 --> 00:54:49,440
are changing out there they'd have to

1309
00:54:54,829 --> 00:54:51,720
get people like him and maybe Michio

1310
00:54:58,130 --> 00:54:54,839
Kaku it would be a good one Michio is

1311
00:55:01,210 --> 00:54:58,140
great he already pretty much he thinks

1312
00:55:05,030 --> 00:55:01,220
that some UFOs are are

1313
00:55:06,829 --> 00:55:05,040
UFOs you know yeah uh he's he's he's an

1314
00:55:08,510 --> 00:55:06,839
open-minded scientist so he would need

1315
00:55:11,210 --> 00:55:08,520
people like that to do it I think and

1316
00:55:13,430 --> 00:55:11,220
mufon of course you know and that's what

1317
00:55:15,770 --> 00:55:13,440
I'm doing right now and that's what I

1318
00:55:18,950 --> 00:55:15,780
it's my passion is letting people know

1319
00:55:21,290 --> 00:55:18,960
this is a very very real phenomena it's

1320
00:55:24,730 --> 00:55:21,300
it's a personal phenomena

1321
00:55:28,010 --> 00:55:24,740
and we're not alone and it's that's

1322
00:55:32,390 --> 00:55:28,020
wonderful you know what does the future

1323
00:55:34,250 --> 00:55:32,400
hold for miffon in 2023 how as is our

1324
00:55:36,710 --> 00:55:34,260
organization that's now been around for

1325
00:55:38,809 --> 00:55:36,720
decades how is it changing and adapting

1326
00:55:41,089 --> 00:55:38,819
to stay relevant especially as

1327
00:55:43,430 --> 00:55:41,099
technology and digitalization become

1328
00:55:47,390 --> 00:55:43,440
more and more prevalent yeah we well

1329
00:55:50,150 --> 00:55:47,400
we've gone you know uh all the files are

1330
00:55:53,630 --> 00:55:50,160
kept uh on a computer base now a

1331
00:55:55,430 --> 00:55:53,640
Mainframe uh whereas you know if you

1332
00:55:57,589 --> 00:55:55,440
watch the old hainer one show you see

1333
00:56:00,589 --> 00:55:57,599
the old hainer that mufon had and the

1334
00:56:02,990 --> 00:56:00,599
boxes and files were in there yeah paper

1335
00:56:05,390 --> 00:56:03,000
files and I even I I have some paper

1336
00:56:07,790 --> 00:56:05,400
files still from when I first started up

1337
00:56:09,470 --> 00:56:07,800
we we would still use them you know

1338
00:56:12,650 --> 00:56:09,480
every now and then

1339
00:56:16,190 --> 00:56:12,660
but uh now it's all all kept online it's

1340
00:56:19,309 --> 00:56:16,200
all very modern and digitized

1341
00:56:22,010 --> 00:56:19,319
um we also have mufon television It's a

1342
00:56:24,589 --> 00:56:22,020
Wonderful data base full of you know

1343
00:56:28,270 --> 00:56:24,599
that you can you can subscribe to it for

1344
00:56:30,710 --> 00:56:28,280
a reasonable price and uh

1345
00:56:32,089 --> 00:56:30,720
Buffon also

1346
00:56:34,730 --> 00:56:32,099
uh

1347
00:56:37,130 --> 00:56:34,740
we have our support our Symposium every

1348
00:56:39,710 --> 00:56:37,140
year I'm actually on the Symposium board

1349
00:56:42,650 --> 00:56:39,720
yeah yeah I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm a member

1350
00:56:46,970 --> 00:56:42,660
of the Symposium uh executive board

1351
00:56:48,890 --> 00:56:46,980
there's three of us I'm a busy man

1352
00:56:51,950 --> 00:56:48,900
um and we're just kind of getting uh I

1353
00:56:55,069 --> 00:56:51,960
know we have Avi Loeb uh PhD who's going

1354
00:56:57,589 --> 00:56:55,079
to be speaking in in August we have our

1355
00:56:59,930 --> 00:56:57,599
Symposium in Ohio this year

1356
00:57:02,930 --> 00:56:59,940
and that's going to be wonderful I

1357
00:57:05,030 --> 00:57:02,940
almost got chocolate he but he's got

1358
00:57:08,809 --> 00:57:05,040
asthma I guess that he was worried for

1359
00:57:12,049 --> 00:57:08,819
his health uh going around many people

1360
00:57:13,670 --> 00:57:12,059
but uh this and all that seems wonderful

1361
00:57:17,329 --> 00:57:13,680
um and where can people attend the

1362
00:57:20,210 --> 00:57:17,339
Symposium in person and virtually yeah

1363
00:57:24,049 --> 00:57:20,220
um virtually you can um yes you can you

1364
00:57:27,290 --> 00:57:24,059
can get they they they do uh like stream

1365
00:57:32,329 --> 00:57:27,300
the Symposium so you can you can be in

1366
00:57:37,130 --> 00:57:34,250
well that information I'll put on the

1367
00:57:39,349 --> 00:57:37,140
the podcast as well Earl um what I want

1368
00:57:42,170 --> 00:57:39,359
to ask what do you see just to wrap up

1369
00:57:45,170 --> 00:57:42,180
is miffon's biggest challenge going

1370
00:57:47,210 --> 00:57:45,180
forward as an organization

1371
00:57:49,190 --> 00:57:47,220
um well now that Congress is openly

1372
00:57:52,849 --> 00:57:49,200
working with us I think that the biggest

1373
00:57:55,130 --> 00:57:52,859
challenge would be uh

1374
00:57:57,530 --> 00:57:55,140
just challenges of working with official

1375
00:57:59,930 --> 00:57:57,540
them you know and I think that there's

1376
00:58:02,569 --> 00:57:59,940
probably different motives in there like

1377
00:58:06,349 --> 00:58:02,579
there usually are and just remaining

1378
00:58:08,569 --> 00:58:06,359
true to our core uh our core mission

1379
00:58:10,549 --> 00:58:08,579
statement which is a very very good

1380
00:58:12,790 --> 00:58:10,559
mission statement I mean mufon's mission

1381
00:58:16,670 --> 00:58:12,800
statement is the scientific

1382
00:58:18,829 --> 00:58:16,680
investigation of UFOs for the benefit of

1383
00:58:22,790 --> 00:58:18,839
humanity

1384
00:58:25,069 --> 00:58:22,800
um and that's that's it you know and and

1385
00:58:26,750 --> 00:58:25,079
that's it says a lot though you know

1386
00:58:29,990 --> 00:58:26,760
it's it's for the benefit of of

1387
00:58:32,390 --> 00:58:30,000
humankind that that we're doing this uh

1388
00:58:36,890 --> 00:58:32,400
because the the Technologies involved

1389
00:58:39,289 --> 00:58:36,900
and and just the knowledge uh once we

1390
00:58:42,289 --> 00:58:39,299
figure out anti-gravity once we figure

1391
00:58:44,750 --> 00:58:42,299
out uh Interstellar flight or

1392
00:58:47,450 --> 00:58:44,760
interdimensional flight or whatever

1393
00:58:50,089 --> 00:58:47,460
whatever it is that they use to get from

1394
00:58:51,829 --> 00:58:50,099
there to here uh it's gonna change it

1395
00:58:54,289 --> 00:58:51,839
it's Gonna Change us it's going to be

1396
00:58:58,609 --> 00:58:54,299
like Star Trek if we can you know

1397
00:59:00,530 --> 00:58:58,619
harness those uh energies and I think

1398
00:59:02,990 --> 00:59:00,540
that maybe that's why sightings and

1399
00:59:05,150 --> 00:59:03,000
everything are ramping up that they are

1400
00:59:06,950 --> 00:59:05,160
watching us carefully they're probably

1401
00:59:10,069 --> 00:59:06,960
worried about us I don't think they want

1402
00:59:13,250 --> 00:59:10,079
Star Wars you know Star Trek yeah sure

1403
00:59:15,530 --> 00:59:13,260
you know but not Star Wars it it and I

1404
00:59:17,390 --> 00:59:15,540
think that they're they're interested in

1405
00:59:19,849 --> 00:59:17,400
our military they're interested in how

1406
00:59:21,950 --> 00:59:19,859
we can Port ourselves and I think that

1407
00:59:24,650 --> 00:59:21,960
that's another intelligence that's not

1408
00:59:26,750 --> 00:59:24,660
Humanity that's and it's very it's going

1409
00:59:28,970 --> 00:59:26,760
to change it's going to change us as a

1410
00:59:31,130 --> 00:59:28,980
species I I think for the best for the

1411
00:59:34,910 --> 00:59:31,140
better uh will truly become a

1412
00:59:36,829 --> 00:59:34,920
space-faring uh race humankind

1413
00:59:40,069 --> 00:59:36,839
um and that that's what I think you know

1414
00:59:43,190 --> 00:59:40,079
the future holds for us I hope if we

1415
00:59:44,809 --> 00:59:43,200
don't blow it ourselves up you know well

1416
00:59:47,630 --> 00:59:44,819
that's a wonderful place to leave it

1417
00:59:50,809 --> 00:59:47,640
missiles offline though if we get out of

1418
00:59:52,670 --> 00:59:50,819
here right exactly exactly listen I'm

1419
00:59:54,890 --> 00:59:52,680
sure we'll still find a way life finds a

1420
00:59:56,329 --> 00:59:54,900
way doesn't it yeah but that's a great

1421
00:59:58,069 --> 00:59:56,339
place to leave it Earl thank you very

1422
00:59:59,569 --> 00:59:58,079
much for joining me I'll have all the

1423
01:00:01,730 --> 00:59:59,579
information you've talked about in the

1424
01:00:03,829 --> 01:00:01,740
description to the podcast and I would

1425
01:00:06,170 --> 01:00:03,839
ask if people you do have a sighting you

1426
01:00:08,990 --> 01:00:06,180
want to report you should report it use

1427
01:00:11,030 --> 01:00:09,000
my phone as a resource the miffon.com

1428
01:00:13,010 --> 01:00:11,040
really easy to get there and fill that

1429
01:00:14,450 --> 01:00:13,020
out as well so Earl and it'll be great

1430
01:00:16,910 --> 01:00:14,460
to have you back on in the near future

1431
01:00:18,710 --> 01:00:16,920
and again I'd love to come back

1432
01:00:21,049 --> 01:00:18,720
been good speaking Matthew L have a

1433
01:00:23,210 --> 01:00:21,059
lovely day thank you too Andy you have a

1434
01:00:24,890 --> 01:00:23,220
wonderful day that is all for this

1435
01:00:26,930 --> 01:00:24,900
week's show thank you very much for

1436
01:00:28,730 --> 01:00:26,940
listening please remember to leave the

1437
01:00:31,549 --> 01:00:28,740
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1438
01:00:33,289 --> 01:00:31,559
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1439
01:00:35,390 --> 01:00:33,299
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1440
01:00:37,490 --> 01:00:35,400
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1441
01:00:39,650 --> 01:00:37,500
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1442
01:00:42,109 --> 01:00:39,660
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1444
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1445
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1447
01:00:55,309 --> 01:00:53,700
UFO uapam and again folks as always keep

1448
01:01:00,410 --> 01:00:55,319
looking up you never know what you might

1449
01:01:00,420 --> 01:01:23,960
champagne

1450
01:01:23,970 --> 01:01:31,250
[Music]

1451
01:01:34,730 --> 01:01:32,510
into the game

1452
01:01:36,789 --> 01:01:34,740
I can't imagine how it could have been

1453
01:01:39,349 --> 01:01:36,799
any better I got to the top of stairs

1454
01:01:48,470 --> 01:01:39,359
like you awake I was about to abduct you

1455
01:01:48,480 --> 01:02:03,020
myself

1456
01:02:34,030 --> 01:02:12,270
[Music]

1457
01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:41,440
consider your eyes

1458
01:03:27,150 --> 01:02:54,620
[Music]

1459
01:03:36,050 --> 01:03:27,160
IES

1460
01:03:42,349 --> 01:03:39,910
[Music]

1461
01:03:44,420 --> 01:03:42,359
thank you